You’ve already admitted you care nothing for authenticity. So you have no right to ask this question.

• Could we ever “know” something for real? What if everything is an illusion or a dream?

Great question. What a brilliant illustration of the total speculative nature of huna and anything else lacking in foundation. Is that what you believe? What aspects of huna have you combined with Christianity? And how do they benefit the illusion or dream that is your life? And which do you give credit to when helping yourself or some other self? (I know, you don’t care.) Instead of starting from a place of knowledge you start from a place of speculation, this makes your ability to render aid useless, because you don’t know where it came from, what aspect of it helped, and what in the makeup of the person you helped allowed them to be helped, and lastly of least importance: who else was affected?

Is the moment I “know” that I am enlightened not the moment I’ve felt out of it?

How often do you feel “out of it?” All you’re doing is saying enlightenment is ignorance and giving yourself permission to ignore. Do what you like, but when you’re not in the position to speak to the authenticity of your product—please—do some more research and stop talking.

The ultimate litmus test is your own experience – and whether anything you learn is beneficial for your own growth and development when applied in your life. Therefore I don’t care too much about whether something is authentic, as long as it is beneficial.

So is the world really what you think it is – yes, in my opinion. I think that most people are running in their own little world anyway – especially if they never have thought about what creates their world. But when it comes to the question, whether that realization is healthy or not, then of course you come to the fine line that separates enlightenment from delusion. And yes, there have been numerous people who jumped straight into their grave from a high place following the delusion that anything they could imagine becomes their world.

Thank you for the definition of Ike – it reminded me of the verb know and recognize in the Bible, which are also used for sexual descriptions – which also shows me, that throughout the traditions this knowing (which has nothing to do with the collection of facts) is at the core of enlightenment.

Because of this I brought into the article the 2 corollaries. Because underneath the more superficial “The world is what you think it is” are much deeper realizations.

• Could we ever experience the “real” world without any interpretation from us?
• Could we ever “know” something for real? What if everything is an illusion or a dream?
• Is the moment I “know” that I am enlightened not the moment I’ve felt out of it?

I would say that being aware is maybe the best definition – and if you are aware that you think and create at this moment, then that could be described as an Ike-Moment.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Is it? Arguably yes. In my opinion, definitely yes. But is that healthy? Allows for everyone to be running around in their own little worlds? Think about that.

And is this the definition of ‘ike? No. Even if this was not intended as a definition, the first of the seven principles of Huna is contradictory.

‘ike 1. nvt. To see, know, feel, greet, recognize, perceive, experience, be aware, understand; to know sexually.

To know. Not to think.

Think about how the entire business of Huna is based in misinformation.

What I mean is, they talk way more about “The Light” than they express it in their own lives.

I hope I made it clear to you.

A newer age enlightened philosopher (Jed McKenna) puts it rather bluntly by advising if you want to become enlightened (wakeup from the dream) just do 3 things: 1. sit down 2. shut up 3. keep asking yourself what do you know to be really true